Adam your weak [Tim You're Banned - AH]

"Tim, please refrain from name-calling in the future."

Oh please....

Adam, you wrote.

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First off Adam I agree with you it was bad manners to post the email addresses.  (Part of why my head exploded, although I failed to point that out in my post, my bad).  However the solution was to delete those addresses and leave a note that you had done so.  Not to delete the entire debate.  That my friend was weak.

Second off.  I called Henry a DICK.  Thats all.  Oh there were a few "F" bombs in my post but I tempered them with the old F**k, routine.  Henry has been called far worse then that on this site.

Finally, the issue is germain and important.  Like it or not we are talking about not only taking someone's home but tearing it down.  As much as I agree with the decision, it F**king SUCKS, and should not be buried simply because you can't abide my calling Henry a DICK.

ADAM YOUR WEAK!!

Delete the email addresses and put the posts back.  You gravel licking, toe sucking, mouth breathing, licker of codpieces. 

TCJ

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What actually just blows my

What actually just blows my mind on this all night is that Chris Garland actually stated for people to call TWDC if they need rides down to this hearing and basically end a human being's existence in this neighborhood. Frank needs help.

I really think Joe Cimperman, and some West 1tth street residents need more evaluation than Frank at this time. What is great this will be Joseph Stalin-Cimperman's legacy after he's failed to further his political carrier to Washington.

What determines a email address to be private? I have been asked by another group of Neighbors to actually read 4472 Emails to and from one of our Tremont councilmen I read each and every one of them. You should see the emails listed in these public records.

I do not take being called a Dick personally. You should see what the Councilman has to say about specific people. What is even better is to see what people really think of others that post right here in this blog. It's priceless.

The people that wanted to help the Metro North Block Club with their fight against Monroe's. Well we were called the Evil-Doers.

 

 

 

Tim, you said in an

Tim, you said in an email:

Hi Adam,

No hard feelings... had to slug you.

Tim

You're banned. No hard feelings... had to do it. You can't behave, you aren't allowed to post here. I don't recall giving you permission to post private correspondence between me, Henry and you, either.

 

Henry: For someone who is

Henry:

For someone who is such a law-and-order, proper-permits-required kind of guy, I find it curious that you think it's ok for Frank or any other homeowner to ignore years of housing code violations citations issued by the city (and ignore proper permitting procedures). Had those citations been resolved in any kind of a timely manner and the proper permits pulled to do the work, Frank's house wouldn't be threatened and the city would be off his back. Personally, I'm mad at Frank for letting a beautiful home go to shit.

As for other posts from you indicating code enforcement officers will be targeting low-income or fixed income homeowners, I think (hope) they're targeting any homeowner who has egregious visible violations such as multiple broken windows, siding that's coming off, grass that's three feet tall, holes in the roof, trash-strewn properties, backyards that have morphed into abandoned dead car lots, etc. The city inspectors don't have time to cite anyone for a loose gutter or a cracked basement window, so your average homeowner doesn't have any worries.

Anyone who owns a property - commercial or residential - has certain responsibilities. It costs nothing to pick up trash from a yard and properly dispose of the junked cars and piles of crap that people should throw out but don't. It costs very little to fix a broken window, reattach a gutter or build a new set of porch steps. If homeowners can't afford to fix major electrical, structural or plumbing issues, then there are a number of grant and loan programs geared toward fixed- and low-income families to help them. (Call TWDC at 575-0920 or attend a block club meeting for more info.) Homeowners can choose not to avail themselves of these programs, and, like Frank, they can choose to be cited.

Sandy Smith

Sandy, where did I actually

Sandy, where did I actually post Code Enforcement personal were going to do this. Your fellow Board, and Housing Committee members have created a new committee, and my understanding these residents will lead the charge, and if you do not think they are going to pick and choose who to turn in versus doing this the right way one street at a time, you kidding yourself.

As far as Frank, I personally agree with you, but I also think Cimperman has had in for Giglio. The whole system, including TWDC has failed in this matter. It should never had gotten this far. Their were other way's to get help to Frank.

I know one thing if Frank was Hispanic or African American this would have not happened in the manner thats before us.

Why did not TWDC inform more people or inform block club leaders of the Housing Committee Agenda? Why was it so biased? Why can't this be announced on the TWDC website?

OCNW puts Hearings like BZA, BBS, of Landmark, ETC on its website well in advance of the actual hearing dates. Its called communication, but that way someone may show up to oppose what the West 11th. St. coalition want with their agendas.

The meeting was basically attended by just Tremont's Beautiful People? Why?

I have to run will check back later. Are you going to go to the Hearing and advocate against Frank?

 

Henry: My apologies. I

Henry:

My apologies. I attributed something to you about inspectors that you did not say - I must have gotten some posts confused - but then you did go on to say in your second post you thought a group (the TWDC Housing Committee?) was going to pick and choose whom to cite. The Housing Committee doesn't cite anyone. Neither do the Ward 13 and 14 code enforcement personnel who work out of the TWDC office. Cleveland code enforcement officers issue citations. So, again, my point is this: Homes that don't have flagrant violations don't get cited.

As for the residents and board members who volunteer to serve on the Housing Committee, ALL TWDC committees need active, concerned, involved residents willing to donate a few hours of their time every month to a collaborative, neighborhood-wide effort to make Tremont the best neighborhood it can be. You can serve on the Housing Committee; I can serve on the Housing Committee; your next-door neighbor or the guy around the corner from me can serve on the Housing Committee. And please, anyone out there with marketing experience, volunteer to serve on the Marketing Committee! We are desperate for help!!

Anyone can attend a committee meeting. Is a Housing Committee meeting where you have an ax to grind more important than the other 11 Housing Committee meetings held this year? Why only show up for the controversial meetings? Do you only go to your block club meetings when certain things are on the agenda? It could be argued that if housing in Tremont was important to you, you'd go to every Housing Committee meeting, regardless of what's on the agenda.

As for posting meeting agendas on the TWDC Web site, that's a great idea. Are you going to volunteer to come to the office to nag the committee chairs to create an agenda before 4 p.m. on the day of the meeting? Are you going to put the agendas into HTML text so they can be posted? Does anybody have their hands raised out there to volunteer?

TWDC has a small staff. Would you rather the organization didn't staff block clubs but kept the Web site perfectly up to date? Should staff members stop writing grants to fund positive neighborhood events like Tremont Arts and Cultural Festival and use that time to research when city hearings are held and post those agendas? Personally, I'd rather have them writing grants.

The war between Frank and the city's Department of Building and Housing has been going on for years. Frank had ample time to stop this train before it went off the tracks. How do you know that no one from the city or TWDC or some other social service or community group has approached Frank at some point over the past 10-15 years to offer help or information about where to get help? There are plenty of low-cost and no-cost loans out there. You seem to know so much, has Frank applied for any of them? I don't know the answer to that, but my guess, Frank being Frank, is that no, he has not. I've been told that over the years, Frank has been offered the opportunity to sell the house and didn't do it. Within the past few months, a potential buyer asked Frank to call him. Frank didn't call.

I'm not attending the hearing to "advocate against Frank." If anything, I'd go to the hearing to advocate for the house, which once was a neighborhood treasure. But whatever happens, the house shouldn't remain with Frank. He has proven himself to be an unreliable steward for the property.

 

 

You are not well informed

You are not well informed Sandy.

TWDC and the city workers bulldozed Frank's gardens over ten years ago. They acted without proper authority (as a JD, I scrutinized the city documents involved in the action and the behavior - they had absolutely NO legal authority and the action was taken during Judge Pianka's vacation, pushed through by Joe Cimperman, but still without proper legal process and authority).

His gardens contained beautiful topiaries, rock sculptures, mazes, and were completely organic. He worked daily on those gardens for years. I witnessed the gardens the next day - they had not ONE green leaf. Why? Ostensibly, because he had milkweed growing in his treelawn. Milkweed that school children would visit every year in early september to see the migration of the Monarch butterflies. Frank also had roses and lilacs that prevented anyone from seeing into his property. They were all cut to the ground. Trees were uprooted. Personal property was destroyed.

I don't really think that the milkweed was the culprit. I think it had more to do with the fact that Frank hosted freaking awesome (and safe) parties on his property. He was "weird". Small minded people could not understand him and they certainly saw no value in the hours of daily work he put into his home. And they certainly did not like not knowing "what was going on in there" and the fact that he owned one of the most valuable properties in Tremont just made things worse for him. Greed is a powerful vice, isn't it Joe?

The next month, TWDC published a picture of the destruction in action with the headline "Job well done".

Apparently you are not capable of understanding what that kind of hateful behavior can do to a person. Apparently you are not capable of understanding the amount of love and devotion a person can put into their land.

If someone utterly destroyed something you love dearly, what would you do, Sandy?

We remember who it was that tried to destroy Frank. "A soup kitchen is one thing, but you're not gonna throw run-away crack whores at us" (you know the "civilized" lady) was a ring leader. They obsessively worry about their property values and foolishly disregard the very essence that gives Tremont any value at all.

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